different experience than Ashland.
What is your impression about the way block
people and goy people ore treated in prisons?
Ortez: Literally, when you talk about the way black
people and gay people are treated, there isn't much
difference. The only difference is that some of the black
brothers would be so uptight because they couldn't get to
the guards who were the ones really fucking them over and
would pick on the gay people- but they are really both the
same. There is no humanity for the prisoner, an animal whc
should be locked up. At any moment all these magnificent
rights like going to a movie once a week or going out to the
yard can be taken away for anything- and by that I don't
mean a concrete act. The guard just might not feel good
that day. Then there is also that brutality thing; when the
guards actually do come in drunk, d1sgusted or whatever
and they would pick on a black or gay person. They would
beat them up and call the goon squad and the goon squad is
known beautifully for
leaving any scars upon the body.
At joliet State Prison, gay people are segregated and the
goon squad takes pleasure with them ... in other words,
When I was in the hole for the June 28th
warden came down to see me. He told me he would
refuse to see a group of prisoners no matter who they were.
When I asked him why, he said: 'Well, we cannot respond
to rebellious prisoners.' And then I asked him, with guards
outnumbered by the prisoners, whether or not psychologi–
cally one of their games was to keep the prisoners from
rioting by playing off one' group against another. This is
thought they were discriminating against gay people.
It was the guard's duty to sit there and make sure the
prisoners overheard them calling us fags and queers and
stuff like that. It was the guard's duty to spread anything
bad they heard about any of us so it got around to the
whole prison population. This was their duty.
I don't know ... maybe it's because I'm black and gay,
but I don't think there is very much difference between
the way gays are treated and the way blacks are
treated ... except like I said : Gays get mistreated by